“I’m sorry, Songuth, but this is a matter of some delicacy and I will need to speak with Magister oa Iretario in private,” I said.
“La, those wizards can get righty pissy, can’t they?” she said, and clopped off.
“I’m very sorry, miss…”, began Thenel.
“I think we could do well to be a bit quieter about this. Perhaps in a time bubble?” I asked.
Thenel nodded, and said, “I would be much happer of that. I didn’t want to ask for it, you know.” The familiar ripples of a bit too much Tempador magic filled the room, and any Songuth eavesdropping on us would hear only incomprehensible chirping. “Thank you, Bluelark. I treasure your discretion.”
I put my hands on my hips, because bipeds usually do that when they’re scolding me and I was trying to look all scoldy. “I am afraid I do not fully reciprocate. Indeed, you were discreet about your own engagement to Rehit: too discreet by half.”
His ears and tail drooped. “We’ve been engaged for years and years; we’ve been living together for nearly that long. If I thought about it, it’s obvious that you wouldn’t have heard about it up in Ketheria. But everybody I know here knows all about it, everybody. So I didn’t think to tell you — I haven’t needed to tell anybody in so long. I’m quite sorry.”
I thought about that for nine seconds. “In that light, it does seem a natural mistake. I quite accept your apology.” (Naturally he can’t be attracted to both his own species and other ones, so, well, no wonder the engagement was so long and nonmarital. Poor Rehit. But that is a matter for later.)
So he ruined it by saying, “And of course whatever we were doing has to be secret from Rehit and everyone else. It’s not a real love affair.”
I snapped, “I will accept the secrecy, but I’ve got a quite real infatuation running all the way from my crotch to my crest … when I have a crest … and it’s all your fault.”
He chewed his tailtip a bit before he managed to say, “I will admit to feeling something of the same sort of … feeling … thing … at the moment” Which is quite an admission from a guarded-tongued Eigrachter.
“Well, can we continue on with our … I don’t know what to call it?” I asked, quite eagerly. Downright wagging my tail like a Cani, if you must know. I am so useless at irritated vengance wizard.
“I am still engaged,” he noted.
I didn’t quite start crying, but I rather whined a bit.
Thenel stomped his foot. “I am not cheating on my fiancé. What do you take me for?”
“You have the high honor of being both the most appealing and the most perplexing person I have welcomed into my …” (How did I want to complete that? heart? vulva? imagination?) “… home.” (Not quite honest — I have had some astoundingly perplexing guests — but close enough.)
He bowed a bit. “You are too kind, madam.”
“Could you explain to me just how it is that you are not cheating on your fiancé?” I had to ask. (This sort of thing matters to me. If I wanted a morally-questionable affair, I’d call Inconnu to my bed. He’s not only amazingly cute and amazingly traff, he’s trying to collect all seven other species.)
Thenel looked miserable. Since I am a terrible agent of interrogation, I nuzzled his cheek and curled my tail around his waist, and eventually coaxed him to talk.
“I have certain … if I may be so bold … certain amatory tastes that do not meet with general approval,” he said.
“I believe I know to what you are referring. For that matter, I believe that yon couch still bears the marks of my buttocks from such amatory tastes,” I said.
“Actually, no, you don’t. I refer to … certain activities … which we did not do. I would never request them of you. It is not dignified or polite, even to the very limited extent that a cross-species entanglement is dignified or polite,” he said, looking hideously embarrassed.
“My dear Thenel, I have been a patron of wrongfolk for well over a century, in a rather libertinous city. If there is any sort of body-play that primes engage in, I have heard of it; I have seen it; I have done it.”
He told me what it was. I had heard of it. I had not seen it, and I had most certainly never done it. I tried not to look surprised and disgusted, but I don’t think I succeeded very well.
Thenel saw my expression. “Rehit tried it once … I shouldn’t say that … but … he doesn’t much like it. Can’t say as I blame him. I wish I didn’t want it, but sometimes I need it. So he agreed that I could, well, hire professionals to provide certain services which he is unwilling or unable to provide himself. Once in a while.”
“I suppose that’s reasonable,” I said. I didn’t really mean to, and didn’t really realize it until afterwards, but I uncoiled my tail from his waist. “And that Orren woman who blackmails you?”
“Well, she’s blackmailing me. I don’t really have that much choice in the matter,” said Thenel.
“So, you’re (1) engaged to another Rassimel; (2) cheating on your fiancé and justifying it to yourself on the grounds of being blackmailed; (3) like that enough to regularly hire prostitutes to do it.”
“That’s … basically true,” he had to admit. His ears were miserably flat.
“And you really can’t have any sort of honest relationship with me. Unless I blackmail you and you want to pretend that that’s honest.”
“That’s the sum of it,” he said.
“I’m not going to blackmail you, and I’m not going to cheat with you, and I’m not sure you’re really even traff,” I said.
“So you’re breaking up with me?” he asked.
“I suppose I am,” I said. “If one can break up with someone with whom one has had two sexual encounters, leavened by only the smallest and most marginal of social and friendly chatter before and after.” Which was harsher than it needed to be, but breaking up is best done cruelly.
“I deserve nothing better,” he said. “Indeed, I deserve nothing at all … but … may I have one more kiss?”
“You most certainly may,” I said.
…
Nine minutes later, I had rather lost count of that one more kiss, and I was helping Thenel undo one of the knottier knots on my belt.
…
Nine minutes later, I was on my back, trying to tug his cloak out from under my rump when he wasn’t pinning me to it. We were giggling like a pair of mad things. The “one more kiss” had gotten quite out of hand.
…
Nine minutes later, I grabbed him by a convenient handle to stop him. “We can do more, but enough with the freebies. I’m gonna have to charge.”
“… charge? …”
“Ten lozens, or my pants go right back on ‘n I walk out the door,” I said. He sort of stared. I laughed. “What? You get a rent-a-girl, you better pay the rent!”
He stared at me, then laughed. “I knew that you were a nendrai-wrangler, a wizard, and an enchanter. I did not know you were also a courtesan!”
“I have many skills!” I said. “But honestly there’s not much difference between nendrai-wrangler and hooker, if you must know. Hey! You’re not going in there ’til you pay up!”
He got up and hunted around in his scattered clothes, and handed me a ten-lozen coin. “There you are.”
I grinned as lasciviously as any Orren can, which is a lot. “OK, I’m rented for as long as you want ’til the time bubble is over. But not for anything. Don’t expect any joy from my hands or mouth. You’ve got a fiancé for that kind of thing.”
“Ah, you’ll only do things which he is unwilling or unable to provide. Thereby satisfying the letter of Rehit’s permission, and not all that far off the spirit, I guess,” said Thenel. “So we’re not breaking up after all?”
“Not ’til your bank account is empty!” I said. I am a practical sort of whore.
With a practical sort of ethics, now and then.
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Your discretion about the details of what he wasn’t prepared to ask you for has me, and I suspect other of your readers, most curious. Not that discretion is a bad thing, of course, and I realize that we have no reason to expect such details, given that you aren’t asking and likely wouldn’t want the equivalent information from us.
[I told her that. She refused to say anything more, even to me. I have rarely seen her/zir so embarrassed. -bb]
Finally, after two years a clue!
Two guesses for Thenel’s mysterious fetish: it’s either something involving cley transfer or something involving metador.
It should come as no great surprise that, when I am in the shape of a female Orren, I am in temporary possession of the intimate physical aspects of a female Orren — and temporarily not in possession of those of a hermaphrodite Zi Ri.
It may be more surprising that I was sufficiently aware of the situation to think in terms of them.
[Your guesses are as good as mine. Zie wouldn't tell me any more. -bb]
Probably BOTH! Possibly involving additional spell casting powers, to feed his known fetish for power. >:)
… buh?
I think you failed to break up cruelly with him. In case you weren’t sure.
It’s not a Moral Event Horizon, but it did make me think of that.
Aren’t you ever afraid someone is going to come by with a magic shell that captures conversations and slows them down, so they can spy on you inside those bubbles?
[Sythyry's story has never been "Look how perfect Sythyry is". Zie tries, mostly, but zie has zir weaknesses. Expect Doom, of course. -bb]
Congratulations!
I’m still happy you got to keep him in a friendly sort of way.
Though I have to say I’m slightly uncomfortable about the arrangement, but you’re probably more, so that’s fine.
It wouldn’t be that hard to do, but I don’t think Thenel’s housemaid can do it. Strayway has better privacy (though I still need to fix it for decency). I suppose I should put “portable privacy” on my list of projects.
It’s technically acceptable under the terms of their engagement. I believe I have reminded myself of the fact eighty-four times in the three hours that have elapsed since I left Thenel’s company.
Some people don’t wait for make up sex…
Of course! (And that’s all directed at character, not author.)
(I really, really wish there were still a preview option available…)
…
On our world, there have been groups of thinkers who were certain that they had the answers to this-and-that question. So certain that they never bothered trying it. So certain that to even consider trying it was considered an affront – and as these were at some points also the ones who held political power, affronting them was dangerous.
They told us that only the shape of an object dictated whether it would float or sink in water, that the material had nothing to do with it. A wooden sphere, or a section of a plank, floated; an irregular hunk of ebony sank. Then someone put in an irregular hunk of ice… and it floated.
They told us that a ball of metal twice as heavy as another such ball would fall twice as fast. They thought it utterly preposterous that they could fall at the same rate. Then someone actually tried it, and although the air did interfere somewhat, the balls fell at much closer to the same rate than to the classical predictions.
There are more examples, but they get into realms that are not so easy to arrange demonstrations for.
Sometimes things that are “true of course” aren’t so definite after all. People are still doing it here, on a similar point to cis/transaffection. We only have one sentient species, so the axis of attraction at issue is whether the person is the same or the opposite gender. There are those who insist that it can only be one or the other – but I and numerous others can personally vouch that this is flat-out wrong.
You yourself have been known to write that you “did find Ilottat’s Zi Ri pornography tolerably moving, even when there weren’t any Orren in the picture.” Early on in your time at Vheshrame, you seemed to be reasonably open-minded about the matter – allowing for the possibility that many, perhaps most Zi Ri defaulted to transaffection for the simple lack of conspecifics, but could still find each other attractive as well.
We’ve managed to get access to the transcript of a tale from Tabragore – a cousin of yours, I believe, by way of mutual descent from Yylhauntra? I think zie(Yylhauntra) mentioned that – in which zie(Tabragore) speaks of a Sleeth and two Zi Ri in quite affectionate terms.
I think you are confusing habits of thought with absolutes of reality. Right now, I don’t doubt that if a Zi Ri came to the branch and (after suitable introductions and socializations) expressed interest in you, you would convince yourself quite effectively that you could not return it – but I have rather more doubt that it would be a wholly natural response. And I think this sort of confusion is something that would specifically be harder for immortals to avoid. Most people can only carry the habits of decades worth of thinking, maybe around a century or so; they can’t get used to thinking the same way for much beyond that.
In short: There is anecdotal evidence from other denizens of the World Tree, and even your own early journal, that cisaffection/transaffection are not so rigidly and absolutely polarized as you currently think. Part of Thenel’s awkwardness may be that he himself is wrestling with two sets of urges that people insist cannot coexist, made worse by Eigrach’s rather horrible treatment of the one set. It doesn’t entirely excuse his behaviour(especially not the lack of work on the skyboat – that’s simply unprofessional), but I wouldn’t be surprised if his mind is in substantial turmoil of late. He’s been able to convince himself that his… arrangement with that other Orren is not wholly consensual on his part, and that the other things he does are for the benefit of the act, not because of the person.
Your arrival may have challenged that. And in oblique support of this, I note as well that he seems substantially more interested in your Orren shape than your natural one. “Oblique”, because it addresses a slightly different incarnation of *affection – instead of being only one’s own species, or only and all other primes, he has a demonstrated appreciation for Orren and quite possibly is genuinely attracted to Rassimel, but seems less interested in Zi Ri, despite his also demonstrated attraction to well-wrought magic and the likelihood of any given Zi Ri to be magically adept.
I really don’t think the matter is as clearly defined as you’re painting it – neither the general issue of transaffection nor the specifics of Thenel’s engagement. And I think it likely that the latter is directly impacting you, both personally and in terms of the repairs to Strayway.
Cley transfer would make some amount of sense, tied to magical power as it is. I think Sythyry’s reaction would likely have been stronger if it were about Mentador, and finding someone to indulge it would be that much more difficult.
Some manner of localized transformation magic might also be involved – that might involve Mutoc Corpador to a capable degree, but perhaps not an exceptional one. Say, complexity fifteen or under – he might be able to find a discreet someone who can bind the relevant spells if he can’t cast them himself. But that’s wild speculation, and going into detail would be even wilder, so I’ll leave it there.
[The next time you reply, there should be a preview option, thanks to my beautiful and mighty webmistress Vicki. -bb]
I believe, with a century’s more experience at being Sythyry, that I found the Zi Ri pornography interesting because of its association with Ilottat and the associated romantic and sticky events.
I do not know Tabragore in person, though Zi Ri do talk to Zi Ri, and so I know something about zir situation. I believe that the Sleeth in question — long dead now, of course — has not been replaced. I have, in fact, been Lizreshtra’s host for a period of three weeks some decades back; zie clearly did not find the company of so many wrongfolk much to zir taste. I will therefore place Tabragore, Sahien, and Lizreshtra firmly on the “cisaffectionate” side of the dichotomy.
I’m quite sure that Thenel will only be truly happy with a non-Rassimel who also indulges his distasteful tastes. Failing which, his current collection of trollops (including me) may suffice. I don’t know how poor Rehit fits into the constellation.
I admit that Thenel prefers me in my Orren shape. He also prefers me naked and on my back, though he will
make lovehire me for other arrangements too. Minor stylistic preferences are hardly unusual: I, for my part, definitely prefer Orren as a general rule, but have been all-but-married to a Herethroy (admittedly, a part-time Orren), and have now taken a Rassimel as myloverjohn.I interpret the situation with Thenel rather differently. Using an employer and wizard as one’s whore is conceptually quite perplexing. So he chooses to interact with Sythyry for legitimate social, professional, and magical purposes, and with Bluelark for illicit sexual ones. I see the advantages myself. If I have feathers and wings and a small size, I am the wizard. If I have fur and a short neck and a large size, I am the floozy. This avoids confusion.
In short, I thank you for your interesting, detailed, and well-researched note, but I cannot agree with your conclusions.
[Bard notes that Sythyry is wrong about cis and transaffection, but doesn't know when zie'll realize that zie is. -bb]
I know a Sleeth who thinks you’re all-out silly, but I gather that even saying this is an atypical Sleeth won’t help my case. Ah well.
[Note: The previewed comment seems to lose its "parenthood" and go right to the top level. I'm not sure how it'll work when I click the appropriate reply link - will find out shortly - but I do know I almost missed your reply because it didn't register as a child of mine.]
[And that seems to make it official - the preview option breaks thread inheritance.]
[Actually, make that "thread inheritance is currently broken", since I didn't preview that post at all and it SHOULD have been under #10.]
So you’re saying Zi Ri don’t have vulvas?
You disappoint me, Sythyry.
#13 should be under #2, #14 should be under #9
It’s probably one of the perfectly mundane (but disgusting) things that a couple of my friends (well, I haven’t seen them in a few years) are into that I can’t even talk about without wanting to throw up. c.c
Or something like that. I’m sure there’s a wide variety that I really really don’t want to think about.
Oh my, that hadn’t occurred to me. I was still trying to consider what sort of…ah…”mundane” fetish it could be, but if it were Mentador, that would put it head and shoulders above what I expected.
I expect it would be hard to find a prostitute willing to do that though; clay selling is lower, and Mentador…hmm, now I’m curious about what Arts the rassy had strength in.
Here I was expecting something simpler, and that would be more easily prostituted, like feet.
The problem is it has to be something so heinous Sythyry is refusing the talk about it. I don’t think feet qualifies.
There’s also what we know about Thenel’s personality. He has a thing for powerful magic. So I was thinking he likes have people steal cley from him, or being forced to do things with mentador.
Other possibities: Thenel likes the sensation of cley over charge, so he likes people to force extra cley into him, beyond what he can normally have.
Or getting even more esoteric, they way I understand it is the primes cast pattern spells by grafting them onto their magistereum and then ‘rub’ cley over them. Is it possible to rub your cley against someone else’s magistereum?
Reminds me of a cartoonish picture I saw once. Girlfriend swats boyfriend’s rump. He says, “Ow.” She says, “Sorry.” He says, “It’s okay.” She says, “Great! Now that we’re done fighting, can we have make up sex?”
Not that we need excuses, but sometimes it’s more amusing to have them….
This maybe was makeup sex, and maybe was breakup sex, and maybe was make-up-excuses sex. It was certainly good sex.
Fortunately, I am not obliged to appoint you.
Ahhh, the slippery slope of moral flexibility!
Well, the practical consideration is, will you be able to explain it to Rehit’s satisfaction if he finds out, before he skewers you?
Too late.
There’s cooperative casting, but I think that’s about the closest – and it requires all the involved mages to have the spell grafted and use their own cley. If there were a straightforward way to cast someone else’s spell, without giving them cley(an inefficient process even without considering the intimacy it involves – some cley tend to be lost in the transfer) and having them cast it, it would have probably been discovered by mages experimenting with cooperative casting.
Cley seem to be fairly tightly bound to one’s own person(I’d gather it’s via the magerium, but I’m not from the World Tree). There are ways to get around that, but most of them aren’t very pleasant(Ruloc Magiador; cley vampirism; taking it from a cley vessel), and the ones that are a bit more so, seem to be varyingly sleazy(whether it’s buying/selling cley from/to individuals, or performers accepting offerings from a crowd).
Closer to your metaphor, by the way, is the description I’ve seen of spontaneous casting – bang cley on the relevant branches of one’s magerium, and the gods will grab a couple and give power to the spont for each. I got the impression that for pattern casting, the cley is “fed” to the pattern(possibly with several being shoved in – hammer casting) – except for feather casting, in which the cley is quickly flicked across the pattern(and might get taken anyway, though in that case the spell will USUALLY full cast).
Sort of like dangling food before a beast to try to get it to, oh, bite through a cord. Pull the food back too soon and it won’t bite; too late and it’ll grab the food, but at least it’ll bite the cord, too.
All this being a long way of saying: Can’t cast someone else’s pattern with your cley.
I understand the game mechanics for magic, but the goal of this hypothetical cley-rubbing fetishist isn’t to succssfully cast a spell, just to enjoy the feeling of rubbing their cley all over their partner’s hypotetically massive magisterium.
Which still leaves the issue that cley are pretty tightly bound, unless you choose to actually give them up.
Even if zie can’t, zie’ll live. Zie did last time.
Naw, I think StormyDragon’s got a point. Just because my hand is firmly attached to my body and you cannot take control of it by rubbing it against your head doesn’t mean my hand can’t be rubbed against your head. Playing around with someone else’s magerium in a fashion that has no game-mechanical purpose could be a fetish on World Tree. I’m not saying it would necessarily be something you could do or sense someone else doing, but I don’t think anything in the rulebook (or even in Sythyry’s journal to date) definitely rules out the possibility of it.
[I gather the lack of detail on some fronts is, in fact, intentional - lets any particular gaming group grow their own slightly distinct variety of World Tree.
Problems only arise when people with different views on it happen to congregate..
]
Oh, absolutely it’s intentional. Works better that way.
And it’s fun to talk to other players/GMs who have different takes or interpretations on the fuzzy areas.
I fear that all this curiosity is merely serving to further embarrass the poor currently-furred-lizard; personally, I’m a little amused at the whole thing.
I do wonder though, if the disgust she/zi showed was local or general; would we show the same distaste, or is it, as we’re postulating, relying on the tastes or differences of primes?