Comments on: The Conversation [16 Thory 4385; Eigrach, Srineia] http://sythyry.com/2009/11/06/the-conversation-16-thory-4385-eigrach-srineia/ A World Tree Chronicle of Transaffection, Adventure, and Doom Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:27:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Alex http://sythyry.com/2009/11/06/the-conversation-16-thory-4385-eigrach-srineia/comment-page-1/#comment-12462 Alex Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:47:30 +0000 http://sythyry.com/?p=1143#comment-12462 I fear that all this curiosity is merely serving to further embarrass the poor currently-furred-lizard; personally, I'm a little amused at the whole thing. I do wonder though, if the disgust she/zi showed was local or general; would we show the same distaste, or is it, as we're postulating, relying on the tastes or differences of primes? I fear that all this curiosity is merely serving to further embarrass the poor currently-furred-lizard; personally, I’m a little amused at the whole thing.

I do wonder though, if the disgust she/zi showed was local or general; would we show the same distaste, or is it, as we’re postulating, relying on the tastes or differences of primes?

]]> By: Ladyrowyn http://sythyry.com/2009/11/06/the-conversation-16-thory-4385-eigrach-srineia/comment-page-1/#comment-12461 Ladyrowyn Sat, 07 Nov 2009 07:23:41 +0000 http://sythyry.com/?p=1143#comment-12461 Oh, absolutely it's intentional. Works better that way. :) And it's fun to talk to other players/GMs who have different takes or interpretations on the fuzzy areas. Oh, absolutely it’s intentional. Works better that way. :) And it’s fun to talk to other players/GMs who have different takes or interpretations on the fuzzy areas.

]]> By: Veritas http://sythyry.com/2009/11/06/the-conversation-16-thory-4385-eigrach-srineia/comment-page-1/#comment-12460 Veritas Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:46:56 +0000 http://sythyry.com/?p=1143#comment-12460 [I gather the lack of detail on some fronts is, in fact, intentional - lets any particular gaming group grow their own slightly distinct variety of World Tree. Problems only arise when people with different views on it happen to congregate.. :)] [I gather the lack of detail on some fronts is, in fact, intentional - lets any particular gaming group grow their own slightly distinct variety of World Tree.

Problems only arise when people with different views on it happen to congregate.. :) ]

]]> By: Ladyrowyn http://sythyry.com/2009/11/06/the-conversation-16-thory-4385-eigrach-srineia/comment-page-1/#comment-12459 Ladyrowyn Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:19:46 +0000 http://sythyry.com/?p=1143#comment-12459 Naw, I think StormyDragon's got a point. Just because my hand is firmly attached to my body and you cannot take control of it by rubbing it against your head doesn't mean my hand can't be rubbed against your head. Playing around with someone else's magerium in a fashion that has no game-mechanical purpose could be a fetish on World Tree. I'm not saying it would necessarily be something you could do or sense someone else doing, but I don't think anything in the rulebook (or even in Sythyry's journal to date) definitely rules out the possibility of it. Naw, I think StormyDragon’s got a point. Just because my hand is firmly attached to my body and you cannot take control of it by rubbing it against your head doesn’t mean my hand can’t be rubbed against your head. Playing around with someone else’s magerium in a fashion that has no game-mechanical purpose could be a fetish on World Tree. I’m not saying it would necessarily be something you could do or sense someone else doing, but I don’t think anything in the rulebook (or even in Sythyry’s journal to date) definitely rules out the possibility of it.

]]> By: Ladyrowyn http://sythyry.com/2009/11/06/the-conversation-16-thory-4385-eigrach-srineia/comment-page-1/#comment-12458 Ladyrowyn Sat, 07 Nov 2009 03:24:44 +0000 http://sythyry.com/?p=1143#comment-12458 Even if zie can't, zie'll live. Zie did last time. Even if zie can’t, zie’ll live. Zie did last time.

]]> By: Veritas http://sythyry.com/2009/11/06/the-conversation-16-thory-4385-eigrach-srineia/comment-page-1/#comment-12457 Veritas Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:36:21 +0000 http://sythyry.com/?p=1143#comment-12457 Which still leaves the issue that cley are pretty tightly bound, unless you choose to actually give them up. Which still leaves the issue that cley are pretty tightly bound, unless you choose to actually give them up.

]]> By: Stormy Dragon http://sythyry.com/2009/11/06/the-conversation-16-thory-4385-eigrach-srineia/comment-page-1/#comment-12456 Stormy Dragon Sat, 07 Nov 2009 02:27:16 +0000 http://sythyry.com/?p=1143#comment-12456 I understand the game mechanics for magic, but the goal of this hypothetical cley-rubbing fetishist isn't to succssfully cast a spell, just to enjoy the feeling of rubbing their cley all over their partner's hypotetically massive magisterium. I understand the game mechanics for magic, but the goal of this hypothetical cley-rubbing fetishist isn’t to succssfully cast a spell, just to enjoy the feeling of rubbing their cley all over their partner’s hypotetically massive magisterium.

]]> By: Veritas http://sythyry.com/2009/11/06/the-conversation-16-thory-4385-eigrach-srineia/comment-page-1/#comment-12455 Veritas Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:57:41 +0000 http://sythyry.com/?p=1143#comment-12455 There's cooperative casting, but I think that's about the closest - and it requires all the involved mages to have the spell grafted and use their own cley. If there were a straightforward way to cast someone else's spell, without <i>giving</i> them cley(an inefficient process even without considering the intimacy it involves - some cley tend to be lost in the transfer) and having them cast it, it would have probably been discovered by mages experimenting with cooperative casting. Cley seem to be fairly tightly bound to one's own person(I'd gather it's via the magerium, but I'm not from the World Tree). There are ways to get around that, but most of them aren't very pleasant(Ruloc Magiador; cley vampirism; taking it from a cley vessel), and the ones that are a bit more so, seem to be varyingly sleazy(whether it's buying/selling cley from/to individuals, or performers accepting offerings from a crowd). Closer to your metaphor, by the way, is the description I've seen of spontaneous casting - bang cley on the relevant branches of one's magerium, and the gods will grab a couple and give power to the spont for each. I got the impression that for pattern casting, the cley is "fed" to the pattern(possibly with several being shoved in - hammer casting) - except for feather casting, in which the cley is quickly flicked across the pattern(and might get taken anyway, though in that case the spell will USUALLY full cast). Sort of like dangling food before a beast to try to get it to, oh, bite through a cord. Pull the food back too soon and it won't bite; too late and it'll grab the food, but at least it'll bite the cord, too. All this being a long way of saying: Can't cast someone else's pattern with your cley. There’s cooperative casting, but I think that’s about the closest – and it requires all the involved mages to have the spell grafted and use their own cley. If there were a straightforward way to cast someone else’s spell, without giving them cley(an inefficient process even without considering the intimacy it involves – some cley tend to be lost in the transfer) and having them cast it, it would have probably been discovered by mages experimenting with cooperative casting.

Cley seem to be fairly tightly bound to one’s own person(I’d gather it’s via the magerium, but I’m not from the World Tree). There are ways to get around that, but most of them aren’t very pleasant(Ruloc Magiador; cley vampirism; taking it from a cley vessel), and the ones that are a bit more so, seem to be varyingly sleazy(whether it’s buying/selling cley from/to individuals, or performers accepting offerings from a crowd).

Closer to your metaphor, by the way, is the description I’ve seen of spontaneous casting – bang cley on the relevant branches of one’s magerium, and the gods will grab a couple and give power to the spont for each. I got the impression that for pattern casting, the cley is “fed” to the pattern(possibly with several being shoved in – hammer casting) – except for feather casting, in which the cley is quickly flicked across the pattern(and might get taken anyway, though in that case the spell will USUALLY full cast).

Sort of like dangling food before a beast to try to get it to, oh, bite through a cord. Pull the food back too soon and it won’t bite; too late and it’ll grab the food, but at least it’ll bite the cord, too.

All this being a long way of saying: Can’t cast someone else’s pattern with your cley.

]]> By: Veritas http://sythyry.com/2009/11/06/the-conversation-16-thory-4385-eigrach-srineia/comment-page-1/#comment-12454 Veritas Sat, 07 Nov 2009 01:48:01 +0000 http://sythyry.com/?p=1143#comment-12454 Too late. Too late.

]]> By: terrycloth http://sythyry.com/2009/11/06/the-conversation-16-thory-4385-eigrach-srineia/comment-page-1/#comment-12453 terrycloth Sat, 07 Nov 2009 00:25:22 +0000 http://sythyry.com/?p=1143#comment-12453 Well, the practical consideration is, will you be able to explain it to Rehit's satisfaction if he finds out, before he skewers you? Well, the practical consideration is, will you be able to explain it to Rehit’s satisfaction if he finds out, before he skewers you?

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